The Jonathan Kogan Show

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[tydi]: we're

[jonathan_kogan]: welcome

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[jonathan_kogan]: to The Jonathan Kogan Show we got a
very special guest today

[tydi]: well

[jonathan_kogan]: you

[tydi]: on

[jonathan_kogan]: probably know you probably know him as
tidy but tyson in fact i'm not even

[jonathan_kogan]: going to give an intro I'm gonna
have you describe who you are

[tydi]: oh

[jonathan_kogan]: a little bit about yourself what you
what you've done maybe professionally and then

[tydi]: yeah

[jonathan_kogan]: then we'll get how that road led

[tydi]: well

[jonathan_kogan]: somehow to the giant the ogan show

[tydi]: compound

[jonathan_kogan]: yeah yeah

[tydi]: okay so

[jonathan_kogan]: yeah

[tydi]: my name is tyson my artist name
is tidy

[jonathan_kogan]: yah

[tydi]: i travelled while playing music

[jonathan_kogan]: m

[tydi]: i am a composer a sound engineer
um all sorts of things but you know

[tydi]: what this is not about me so
let's not do that don't put me in

[tydi]: the spot like that bro

[jonathan_kogan]: okay okay all right so so all
right i do want to start off because

[jonathan_kogan]: you know we hear a lot about
what's happening around the world and actually the

[jonathan_kogan]: third largest group that listens to podcast
is actually in australia it goes it's

[tydi]: oh

[jonathan_kogan]: u k australia

[tydi]: uh

[jonathan_kogan]: actually

[tydi]: yeah

[jonathan_kogan]: think it goes to canada australia i
might add but

[tydi]: no

[jonathan_kogan]: we see what's going on the past
couple of years which has probably been crazy

[jonathan_kogan]: but's hard to tell what's true what's

[tydi]: yeah

[jonathan_kogan]: not true but can you little context
on

[tydi]: i

[jonathan_kogan]: your story

[tydi]: yeah

[jonathan_kogan]: at least and kind of like how
um

[tydi]: oh

[jonathan_kogan]: before i get in your

[tydi]: yeah

[jonathan_kogan]: first tweet just kind of what happened
in twenty twenty twenty twenty one that kind

[jonathan_kogan]: of took a little you turn you
know that you didn't expect can you

[tydi]: yeah

[jonathan_kogan]: give us litle context on that

[tydi]: yes so i am

[jonathan_kogan]: my

[tydi]: i'm an australian citizen i was born
here

[jonathan_kogan]: m

[tydi]: but i moved to america and lived
ten years in hollywood in that echo chamber

[tydi]: bubble and then i came back to
australia i got a vaccine um to help

[tydi]: everybody unfortunately it messed me up and
gave me paralysis and all sorts of things

[tydi]: the doctor advised me to get a
second one and i you know filmy once

[tydi]: for me twice i know you're on
give me help for this i took the

[tydi]: doctor's advice and i got the second
vaccine and guessed what straight back to hospital

[tydi]: paralyzed again so yeah it's i mean
i could tell you all the details but

[tydi]: i don't think we need

[jonathan_kogan]: so

[tydi]: to waste

[jonathan_kogan]: after

[tydi]: down time

[jonathan_kogan]: after after the first one day did
the did the i guess did

[tydi]: oh

[jonathan_kogan]: the i want to say side effects
but my dad always says it's not side

[jonathan_kogan]: effect there just affects but

[tydi]: i

[jonathan_kogan]: did did they subs sighed and then
the second one that came back or they

[jonathan_kogan]: never really went away and hen they
compounded

[tydi]: so it compounded so the first one
i was recovering from that i took advice

[jonathan_kogan]: yeah

[tydi]: from the gold coach university hospital i
won't name the the but i was advised

[tydi]: to take a second one and i
know a lot of people are going to

[tydi]: say like mean things about this but
i took their advice i took the second

[tydi]: one and it gave me permanent i
hope it's not permanent like please um but

[tydi]: what's called in your apathy which is
basically an umbrella term for damage to the

[tydi]: nervous system on presented itself in damage
to my spinal cord i

[jonathan_kogan]: how long ago was this when you
when the symptoms started

[tydi]: so we're in two thousand twenty two
right

[jonathan_kogan]: two

[tydi]: last summer

[jonathan_kogan]: hm

[tydi]: time traveler

[jonathan_kogan]: m uh ah so it

[tydi]: yes

[jonathan_kogan]: was last year

[tydi]: yes correct

[jonathan_kogan]: okay yes

[tydi]: and now and now

[jonathan_kogan]: oh

[tydi]: i wake up every day in excruciating
pain

[jonathan_kogan]: one one to ten like is it
ten

[tydi]: to seven

[jonathan_kogan]: pain seven man i've just heard so
many of these stories and i mean

[tydi]: oh

[jonathan_kogan]: there's there's a couple positives actually the
two positive i would say is i've went

[jonathan_kogan]: through some long term chronic illnesses that
for me last lasted ten years till till

[jonathan_kogan]: actually twenty twenty one when it went
away i dout smething for twelve years and

[jonathan_kogan]: i went away so the good news
is i would say it's definitely you can't

[jonathan_kogan]: say it's permanent yet

[tydi]: m

[jonathan_kogan]: they say you have to give it
like two years when someting or something no

[jonathan_kogan]: nor logical happens so

[tydi]: okay

[jonathan_kogan]: i would

[tydi]: oh

[jonathan_kogan]: obviously keep hope and hope is

[tydi]: yeah

[jonathan_kogan]: something you talk about often and then
also is the people that unfortunately there's people

[jonathan_kogan]: that took it in art here to
tell their story and that's why i think

[jonathan_kogan]: it's so important for us to talk
about this

[tydi]: can we talk about hope for just
one second

[jonathan_kogan]: please

[tydi]: okay so people i think that a
lot of people

[jonathan_kogan]: oh

[tydi]: think that hope is just something from
star was but it's fundamental in how proceed

[tydi]: with life and i'm going to give
you a real life example

[jonathan_kogan]: okay

[tydi]: so in australia there is a company
called opera a h p r a and

[tydi]: they govern all of the doctors every
doctor in australia they

[jonathan_kogan]: so

[tydi]: at their whim

[jonathan_kogan]: the american medical association type deal for
america is that similar

[tydi]: i can't i can't speak for america

[jonathan_kogan]: okay

[tydi]: but they can de register doctors like
that they can

[jonathan_kogan]: take

[tydi]: take

[jonathan_kogan]: away

[tydi]: their

[jonathan_kogan]: their

[tydi]: license

[jonathan_kogan]: ability to practice

[tydi]: yes correct

[jonathan_kogan]: okay

[tydi]: so what i noticed was that i
went from door to door to door to

[tydi]: doctor and every single one of those
doctors said i would like to tell you

[tydi]: what's happening but i can't write it
down i can't write it down if i

[tydi]: do i will lose my job

[jonathan_kogan]: oh

[tydi]: now after five times

[jonathan_kogan]: yeah

[tydi]: that's enough to go all right something's
up someone is holding these doctors like like

[tydi]: they're they're hanging them by a noose
ready to just dropped the platform and i

[tydi]: realized very quickly it's not the doctor's
fault because the doctors they might have kids

[tydi]: family they've spent their whole life trying
to just help people and then this company

[tydi]: comes along called opera and says hey
say the wrong thing and we just delay

[tydi]: your job that's messed up man you
can't just delete someone who's practiced for seven

[tydi]: years who has done a specialty that's
crazy i went to opera

[jonathan_kogan]: ah

[tydi]: and what i did was i said
everybody post on operas paid our concerns if

[tydi]: they are truly kind people who care
about public confidence they will respond well they

[tydi]: didn't respond in fact they just shut
down all of the comments they

[jonathan_kogan]: oh my

[tydi]: sent

[jonathan_kogan]: god

[tydi]: it they centered

[jonathan_kogan]: yes

[tydi]: mothers they censured people who truly cared
about their future they they were they just

[tydi]: shot it down and this is the
problem maybe someone weak in the social media

[tydi]: team couldn't handle it but this is
this is what i want to say before

[tydi]: you set legislation and they have set
legislation that changes the doctor patient relationship

[jonathan_kogan]: oh

[tydi]: to public

[jonathan_kogan]: yeah

[tydi]: confidence how about this pre how about
have someone on the social

[jonathan_kogan]: oh

[tydi]: media front to deal with the public's
concern because no one was doing that and

[tydi]: today we have win i pressed and
i pressed and i pressed and they finally

[tydi]: deleted the posts and they have allowed
comments and now people can hopefully continue to

[tydi]: raise the concerns with opera now it's
a small win it doesn't mean that i've

[tydi]: conquered the death star you know but
every little wind counts and hope is what

[tydi]: matters

[jonathan_kogan]: but that's it is you know

[tydi]: a

[jonathan_kogan]: it's like it's not like the win
of all but it is a big win

[jonathan_kogan]: because that win then lead you to
believe you can get another bigger win and

[jonathan_kogan]: then another bigger win and then it
keeps them men im going

[tydi]: yeah

[jonathan_kogan]: so it's a story about hope but
it's also a story about perseverance

[tydi]: yeah

[jonathan_kogan]: and what if you

[tydi]: oh

[jonathan_kogan]: just keep knocking on that door that
door is going to open like you just

[jonathan_kogan]: like i really believe in life like
the success of a lot of people it's

[jonathan_kogan]: not

[tydi]: eh

[jonathan_kogan]: the most talented people that make it
often it's the people who just never stop

[jonathan_kogan]: and just keep going like they just

[tydi]: you's

[jonathan_kogan]: don't stop

[tydi]: got to keep perseverance

[jonathan_kogan]: a

[tydi]: up you've got to keep love

[jonathan_kogan]: m

[tydi]: you have to remember that that this
is the thing the divide that has been

[tydi]: create did if you look at like
what is going on in the world today

[tydi]: we have people on one side going
hey you're all messed up and we have

[tydi]: people on the other side saying you
guys are messed up but

[jonathan_kogan]: hm

[tydi]: if you if you zoom out like
a drone for a second and you look

[tydi]: at those people really what's going on
is that something bigger has divided them and

[tydi]: we need to think about that

[jonathan_kogan]: oh

[tydi]: and we need to focus on that
and we need to get rid of that

[tydi]: divide and go hey you're a human
i'm a human we're all human beings on

[tydi]: this tiny

[jonathan_kogan]: m

[tydi]: blue dot together let's work this out
with kindness and love and compassion

[jonathan_kogan]: m

[tydi]: and once we do that then we
can focus on well who really

[jonathan_kogan]: m

[tydi]: is trying to divide us and then
we move up the chain

[jonathan_kogan]: that's why i started this podcast i
was realizing there's these two sides but like

[jonathan_kogan]: this this is a pro human podcast

[tydi]: oh

[jonathan_kogan]: pro kindness pro love pro we don't
care what your views are just be nice

[jonathan_kogan]: to one another

[tydi]: oh

[jonathan_kogan]: we do this is an a political
podcast we don't have political views we don't

[jonathan_kogan]: believe in politics

[tydi]: oh

[jonathan_kogan]: it's all about your that that's exactly
the reason for this because what people i

[jonathan_kogan]: think a lot of the divide is

[tydi]: yeah

[jonathan_kogan]: intentionally done by the powers of b
so the peasants fight each other but what

[jonathan_kogan]: people understand is if you're hearing this
podcast you're a peasant which is a good

[jonathan_kogan]: thing by the way because

[tydi]: well

[jonathan_kogan]: we've never

[tydi]: let

[jonathan_kogan]: lost

[tydi]: me

[jonathan_kogan]: in all of history

[tydi]: let me let me stop you there

[jonathan_kogan]: okay

[tydi]: the people that are listening to this
podcast you are not peasants every single one

[tydi]: of you loved and you have hope
one word hope hold on to that never

[tydi]: let go for as long as you
have hope you

[jonathan_kogan]: m

[tydi]: have a chance and if we all
come together and

[jonathan_kogan]: m

[tydi]: unify we can take down the monster

[jonathan_kogan]: ye

[tydi]: okay it's just like a video game
it's just like when

[jonathan_kogan]: oh

[tydi]: you meet the boss the end level
they want to divide you i am here

[tydi]: to give your voice i am here
to unite you i am here to show

[tydi]: everybody that human beings are human beings
on this pale blue

[jonathan_kogan]: yeah

[tydi]: dot loading through space speeding around the
sun we have hope and hold on to

[tydi]: it dearly and i treasure it because
when we when we truly understand that and

[tydi]: when we i see everyone bashing

[jonathan_kogan]: eh

[tydi]: each other in the comments talk to
people like you would do it if you

[tydi]: in the same room

[jonathan_kogan]: oh

[tydi]: with that person would you say that
to their face would you really say that

[tydi]: to their face i don't think so
so hold on to hope hold into love

[tydi]: and i promise you love will win
this love always wins

[jonathan_kogan]: ah

[tydi]: let's blow up the death star together

[jonathan_kogan]: don't you think that's happening slowly do
you feel it or no

[tydi]: oh do i feel it do i
look like i feel it

[jonathan_kogan]: i think it just at

[tydi]: yeah

[jonathan_kogan]: least for the past called months i've
like i would say a year ago hope

[jonathan_kogan]: i always had

[tydi]: yeah

[jonathan_kogan]: hope like it was like

[tydi]: oh

[jonathan_kogan]: i don't know if we're going to
come through this but then like for the

[jonathan_kogan]: past called months it keeps building

[tydi]: oh

[jonathan_kogan]: momentum you see more people speaking more
people like okay wait a second we're divided

[jonathan_kogan]: but maybe we shouldn't be divided let's
re evaluate let's let's

[tydi]: oh

[jonathan_kogan]: zoom out and realize oh wait i
was

[tydi]: yeah

[jonathan_kogan]: friends with you three years ago and
who

[tydi]: kate

[jonathan_kogan]: we just

[tydi]: dude let me point something up i
had to look at the top left hand

[tydi]: corner of my screen to remember your
name

[jonathan_kogan]: thanks

[tydi]: jonathan

[jonathan_kogan]: yes

[tydi]: okay

[jonathan_kogan]: my

[tydi]: jonathan you might disagree with me on
a lot of things and i might disagree

[tydi]: with you on a lot of things
but what we need to focus on right

[tydi]: now is the things that we agree
on if it's a van diagram we have

[tydi]: two circles one here and one here
do we want to sit in our echo

[tydi]: chambers of anger or do we want
to cross that diver d and your passionate

[tydi]: and loving empathy and compassion and kindness
do you want that to collide with mine

[tydi]: and my armies compassion empathy and kindness
because when we do that you and i

[tydi]: unify and when we unify

[jonathan_kogan]: oh

[tydi]: we are we outnumber them yes i
think

[jonathan_kogan]: yeah

[tydi]: you know who them is

[jonathan_kogan]: who is the

[tydi]: well there the people trying to divide
us

[jonathan_kogan]: who are they why would anyone want
to do such a thing

[tydi]: money

[jonathan_kogan]: you think it's all money

[tydi]: yeah

[jonathan_kogan]: greed

[tydi]: i see your loaded question and i'm
very well equipped with logical fallacies so you

[tydi]: say i think it's all money not
necessarily i think that some people are tricked

[tydi]: and some people don't even know what's
happening i think that even my and you

[tydi]: can be fooled so when i save
money and full the money

[jonathan_kogan]: oh yeah

[tydi]: i mean be vare careful where you
look now you and i could disagree on

[tydi]: a lot i think what's more important
is that you and i agree a lot

[tydi]: and we focus on the bits that
we agree on and again now divide i

[tydi]: just saw i'm looking at your eyes
i know this is hard over the

[jonathan_kogan]: oh

[tydi]: over the inter webs but i'm looking
in your eyes and i see that smile

[tydi]: and i see that humanity and i
see the love in your heart and i

[tydi]: see that you want to make a
change you wouldn't be doing this you wouldn't

[tydi]: be questioning me if you didn't want
to make a change so i see love

[tydi]: i see kindness

[jonathan_kogan]: yeah

[tydi]: i see hope in your heart and
i believe that you know what i'm talking

[tydi]: about there are people who i weren't
name who are trying to make us you

[tydi]: and me let's use this as an
example an enemy of each other they're trying

[tydi]: to make us fight but i'm here
to say i'm not going to fight with

[tydi]: you bro and you're not going to
fight with me we're going to be friends

[jonathan_kogan]: and

[tydi]: we're

[jonathan_kogan]: that

[tydi]: going

[jonathan_kogan]: terrifies

[tydi]: to tea

[jonathan_kogan]: them this terrifies them the fact that

[tydi]: i

[jonathan_kogan]: we're not separated and we do realize
that there's love

[tydi]: yeah

[jonathan_kogan]: and that we are on the same
team and this is what terrifies the powers

[jonathan_kogan]: that be more than anything right

[tydi]: i guess they under i guess they
underestimated the power

[jonathan_kogan]: oh

[tydi]: of hope

[jonathan_kogan]: for sure totally miscoculated yes obviously

[tydi]: so

[jonathan_kogan]: yeah

[tydi]: so when i look at you and
i and i mean this i've never met

[tydi]: you but you look like a kind
person you look like a caring person you

[tydi]: look like a person who wants to
make change and i'm sure that you and

[tydi]: i sat down in the same room
together we could probably have a very fruitful

[tydi]: conversation we could probably disagree on a
lot and we could agree on a lot

[tydi]: again that division is merely a cover
up for a conversation

[jonathan_kogan]: ye

[tydi]: it's a place in which

[jonathan_kogan]: yeah

[tydi]: you and i could speak it out
and we can talk to each other and

[tydi]: we could find common ground

[jonathan_kogan]: yeah

[tydi]: we could find a place where you
might say to me you know what i

[tydi]: don't fully agree and i might say
i don't fully agree and that's okay is

[tydi]: not agreeing to disagree is it shouldn't
be a crime that is the essence of

[tydi]: science

[jonathan_kogan]: oh

[tydi]: so so so by me being here
and talking to you wish should understand that

[tydi]: you have love in your heart i
have love in my heart and we have

[tydi]: a common goal and the people they
are outnumbered now

[tydi]: oh

[jonathan_kogan]: they're in trouble

[tydi]: they're in trouble

[jonathan_kogan]: i totally agree i couldn't agree more
i want to i just want to ask

[jonathan_kogan]: you about one of your tweets that
you just that you just made nd it's

[jonathan_kogan]: totally on this topic

[tydi]: oh

[jonathan_kogan]: actually right before we started recording but
you wrote this is november fifth was it

[jonathan_kogan]: the seven dear america as a resident
of ten years i miss your constitutional right

[jonathan_kogan]: to free speech never ever let that
go dear australia thank you for being awesome

[jonathan_kogan]: but please don't neglect us let's unite
and lead with i still have hope what

[jonathan_kogan]: do you mean by that with the
free speech

[tydi]: so america is awesome in the sense
that it has a fundamental constititutional right to

[tydi]: free speech

[jonathan_kogan]: we

[tydi]: meaning

[jonathan_kogan]: used to

[tydi]: that

[jonathan_kogan]: we lost sight

[tydi]: i

[jonathan_kogan]: of

[tydi]: thought

[jonathan_kogan]: that temporarily as a culture we've lost
sight of that for sure that's the whole

[jonathan_kogan]: censorship and cancel culture

[tydi]: well remember it's in your constitution so
you

[jonathan_kogan]: incredible

[tydi]: haven't so you

[jonathan_kogan]: right

[tydi]: haven't

[jonathan_kogan]: right

[tydi]: like here's the problem here's the problem
you just said to me i've lost sight

[tydi]: i've lost sight of that that's a
problem dude

[tydi]: you have a constitution you have a
right to free speech that is

[jonathan_kogan]: i

[tydi]: beautiful that is unimaginably just incredible

[jonathan_kogan]: oh

[tydi]: so use your right to free speech
use it yeah

[jonathan_kogan]: it's the first one too it's the
first right that we have

[tydi]: a and

[jonathan_kogan]: it that without that nothing else matters
is what the whole the founding fathers thought

[jonathan_kogan]: i mean it was pretty genius to
be honest it's wild

[tydi]: i would say it's it's genius but
it's also just very intelligent and it's just

[tydi]: very well thought out the right to
be able to have free speech under any

[tydi]: circumstance is it's crucial to the ebgression
of society so don't lose that dude don't

[jonathan_kogan]: has

[tydi]: lose

[jonathan_kogan]: a

[tydi]: it

[jonathan_kogan]: and but the reason you wrote that
though it did do you feel like that's

[jonathan_kogan]: not what's happening at least in australia
where you are now i know you live

[jonathan_kogan]: in the states ten years but i
know it's is free speech not really happening

[jonathan_kogan]: is kind of what's what's it like
right now in australia when it comes to

[jonathan_kogan]: that

[tydi]: all right well i mean if you
want to know my

[jonathan_kogan]: yeah

[tydi]: story so i was vaccine injured again
twice and then

[jonathan_kogan]: oh

[tydi]: put in the covid wood because i
cut and nearly died and was told i'm

[tydi]: a fing biohyzid and treated like trash
for two weeks so i was a prisoner

[tydi]: in my own country

[jonathan_kogan]: oh

[tydi]: that's how australia treated me

[jonathan_kogan]: yeah

[tydi]: and i lived in america for ten
years so i got used to the right

[tydi]: to free speech i got used to
that to go back to australia and find

[tydi]: out that it's not the case here
is terrifying it's horrific the horror the share

[tydi]: horror in that should be something that
we talk about oh

[jonathan_kogan]: yeah no absolutely that's you know that
something that the people the same people who

[jonathan_kogan]: divided us they did a very good
job of making you think that these other

[jonathan_kogan]: human beings are bio hazards and that
you shouldn't come close to them and you

[jonathan_kogan]: should

[tydi]: i think

[jonathan_kogan]: be that was part of

[tydi]: yeah

[jonathan_kogan]: the strategy right people literally i worry
about like kids looking at other humans now

[jonathan_kogan]: and they're thinking like they should stay
far away their bio hazard as opposed to

[jonathan_kogan]: coming giving a hug and showing love
you know what

[tydi]: but

[jonathan_kogan]: i

[tydi]: guess but guess what

[jonathan_kogan]: what

[tydi]: they messed up

[jonathan_kogan]: they did

[tydi]: you know how the do you know
how they messed up

[jonathan_kogan]: m how

[tydi]: you go fast

[jonathan_kogan]: they messed up because they i think
they didn't realize how quickly

[tydi]: oh

[jonathan_kogan]: people can realize their scheme online and
actually come together and then

[tydi]: oh

[jonathan_kogan]: realize it's all it's all it's all
it's all a farce

[tydi]: ah

[jonathan_kogan]: the whole thing the whole divide is
artificial i don't enthnk it's real because i

[jonathan_kogan]: don't ever meet humans in real life
that are mean almost everybody is kind and

[jonathan_kogan]: there all diffrentpolitical views and i think
that what they are trying to make it

[jonathan_kogan]: seem like we're all divided i don't
think it's real i realy dont think it's

[tydi]: yeah

[jonathan_kogan]: real in real life i thin it's
fake

[tydi]: yeah so when you say i don't
think it's real

[jonathan_kogan]: yeah

[tydi]: i don't think it's real life where
they messed up is that they tried to

[tydi]: use a tradition or a method that
has been tried and tested by dare i

[tydi]: say hit la burning books censorship they
tried to divide us now jonathan

[jonathan_kogan]: oh

[tydi]: i don't nor your beliefs i don't
know what you stand for and i will

[tydi]: actively say that out loud like but
this is the thing

[jonathan_kogan]: yeah

[tydi]: you and i are just human beings
on this blue dot sure and if we

[tydi]: love what what they forgot about and
what they missed is that hope and love

[tydi]: is so much more powerful than any
agenda so you and i can disagree on

[tydi]: what whatever we want that's fine let's
say that for the dinner table let's have

[tydi]: a conversation about it but they forgot
that you and i are human beings and

[tydi]: we are united as humans on this
planet and we will talk about our problems

[tydi]: and solve them and those above

[jonathan_kogan]: yeah

[tydi]: us i don't know

[tydi]: i

[jonathan_kogan]: hm

[tydi]: ah but those people miscalculated one big
era and that is hope and that is

[tydi]: love you and i are going to
have a conversation over and over again and

[tydi]: i will have this conversation

[jonathan_kogan]: m

[tydi]: with so many people so what what
they got wrong where they were they f

[tydi]: do yeah is that someone like me
can talk to someone like you across the

[tydi]: planet and de live love and you
can send love back and we can kindly

[tydi]: kalmly respectively disagree or agree on it
subject come to a conclusion and when we

[tydi]: do that they out numbered so i
am here to tell you and tell your

[tydi]: audience that they are outnumbered and and
we we we don't need to fight i

[tydi]: don't need you to tell me something
about oh you're wrong on this thing o

[tydi]: me to say oh you're wrong in
this thing because guess what

[jonathan_kogan]: oh

[tydi]: i'll sit down with you at the
dinner table and i'll have a great conversation

[tydi]: with you and we will have a
fantastic rational loving caring conversation we will do

[tydi]: that sure and we will come to
some sort of an agreement it may not

[tydi]: be perfect nothing is perfect but it
will be better than it was before and

[tydi]: they miscalculated

[jonathan_kogan]: yeah

[tydi]: the power of hope and the power
of love

[jonathan_kogan]: i think you're a thousand per cent
right yeah i think

[tydi]: and

[jonathan_kogan]: that's true i mean that's what that's
what i believe too so i guess i

[jonathan_kogan]: guess

[tydi]: yeah

[jonathan_kogan]: i really do believe that and and
i think you're right and i believe that

[tydi]: ye

[jonathan_kogan]: that it's true because i don't really
see the alternative i don't understand

[tydi]: yea

[jonathan_kogan]: what the alternative is to not have

[tydi]: oh

[jonathan_kogan]: like there's ope and there's getting through
this together i don't understand what the other

[jonathan_kogan]: alternative is what not

[tydi]: the

[jonathan_kogan]: getting

[tydi]: alternate

[jonathan_kogan]: through i don't understand

[tydi]: the alternative is giving up

[jonathan_kogan]: is that really an option i don't
really

[tydi]: no

[jonathan_kogan]: get

[tydi]: no i

[jonathan_kogan]: so

[tydi]: don't

[jonathan_kogan]: it's

[tydi]: know

[jonathan_kogan]: right

[tydi]: are we going to give up

[jonathan_kogan]: no

[tydi]: are we are we going to give
up or are we going to love

[jonathan_kogan]: oh

[tydi]: each other jonathan i don't know all
of your i've never watched one of your

[tydi]: shows i'm so sorry i said this

[jonathan_kogan]: that's

[tydi]: to

[jonathan_kogan]: probably

[tydi]: like

[jonathan_kogan]: in your best interest

[tydi]: like i've ben i've been on fox
news i've been i've been on san

[jonathan_kogan]: m

[tydi]: plenty of things

[jonathan_kogan]: there's probably more people that will see
this than that because they're all full of

[jonathan_kogan]: crap they don't even tell the truth
c n n and all

[tydi]: i

[jonathan_kogan]: those guys

[tydi]: i

[jonathan_kogan]: propaganda

[tydi]: can't

[jonathan_kogan]: to divide us

[tydi]: i can't speak to it but what
i can tell

[jonathan_kogan]: hm

[tydi]: you is that is that jonathan

[jonathan_kogan]: oh

[tydi]: you seem like a loving person with
a heart guess

[jonathan_kogan]: yeah

[tydi]: and instead of us fighting about this
topic

[jonathan_kogan]: m

[tydi]: let's love each other let's focus

[jonathan_kogan]: m

[tydi]: on love and remind everybody watching right
now that there is hope and when there

[tydi]: is hope there is success

[jonathan_kogan]: i forget those famous quote from stephen
hawking us when there is hope there is

[jonathan_kogan]: life right is that what it is
something like that

[tydi]: um i don't know

[jonathan_kogan]: i don't know either something like that
but okay so when first of a i'm

[jonathan_kogan]: really sorry what what happened to you

[tydi]: yeah

[jonathan_kogan]: being the vaccine injured and kind of
what's happening on that front so

[tydi]: yeah

[jonathan_kogan]: it's really sad and you did it
because you were trying to do the right

[jonathan_kogan]: thing what

[tydi]: yeah

[jonathan_kogan]: you're told is the right thing and
trust and i think a lot of people

[jonathan_kogan]: a ton of people did when you
were vacine injured at time there were people

[jonathan_kogan]: that were speaking out at least i
could not world wide but in america that

[jonathan_kogan]: would say i'm vacininjureand they be and
they would be like ridiculed and like censored

[jonathan_kogan]: and like told their liars and like
the egitimate did what they were told was

[jonathan_kogan]: the right thing their bodies just had
a different reaction and then as a result

[jonathan_kogan]: of that they got like band from
the public form untold that they're not worth

[jonathan_kogan]: anyone's attention

[tydi]: yeah

[jonathan_kogan]: has that happed to you and then

[tydi]: oh

[jonathan_kogan]: also and like

[tydi]: one

[jonathan_kogan]: the responses from people

[tydi]: okay so to unpack that two things
one is yes people ridicule me they say

[tydi]: bad things people try to bring me
down and they try to make me sound

[jonathan_kogan]: oh

[tydi]: like i'm the enemy ah on the
other side people are loving and they're kind

[tydi]: and they're caring and i can't express
this enough we have we have to unify

[tydi]: we have to be human beings when
we have to fight this because you and

[tydi]: i we could do you know how
much fun it would be if we were

[tydi]: talking about aliens

[jonathan_kogan]: right

[tydi]: so

[jonathan_kogan]: i agree

[tydi]: dude i'm a musician

[jonathan_kogan]: ye

[tydi]: like i want to like talk about
like music i want to

[jonathan_kogan]: oh

[tydi]: get i want to get back to
the fun stuff

[jonathan_kogan]: ye

[tydi]: like

[jonathan_kogan]: we all do

[tydi]: we all do i want to talk
about like you know

[jonathan_kogan]: oh

[tydi]: did we get visited

[jonathan_kogan]: oh

[tydi]: all the jerbrugin and stuff but on
four ortunately

[jonathan_kogan]: yeah

[tydi]: i have to talk to you about
this topic and that

[jonathan_kogan]: m

[tydi]: is we are divided and we have
been divided

[jonathan_kogan]: yeah

[tydi]: by something upwards now i'm not

[jonathan_kogan]: yeah

[tydi]: going to make the claim as to
who divided us who divided us who

[jonathan_kogan]: i mean

[tydi]: ivided

[jonathan_kogan]: it doesn't even matter

[tydi]: us

[jonathan_kogan]: though who i mean doesn't matter the
approach on our part is still the same

[jonathan_kogan]: no matter who that is it doesn't
matter

[tydi]: the

[jonathan_kogan]: yeah

[tydi]: when i say who

[tydi]: i think you know what i mean

[tydi]: oh

[jonathan_kogan]: don't

[tydi]: how do you how

[jonathan_kogan]: should

[tydi]: do you

[jonathan_kogan]: i

[tydi]: spell the how do you spell the
word

[jonathan_kogan]: w h o

[tydi]: interesting that's

[jonathan_kogan]: oh

[tydi]: a

[jonathan_kogan]: really

[tydi]: giant

[jonathan_kogan]: oh okay yeah all right that is

[tydi]: yeah

[jonathan_kogan]: what i was thinking actually that's i
even think it's above that yeah it's something

[jonathan_kogan]: big

[tydi]: yeah

[jonathan_kogan]: it's it's really interesting

[tydi]: i mean i didn't i didn't

[jonathan_kogan]: m

[tydi]: say that

[jonathan_kogan]: u

[tydi]: like i was i was asking you
the

[jonathan_kogan]: h

[tydi]: question

[jonathan_kogan]: that's fair that's fair i mean that's
definitely true i'm just wanting o high how

[jonathan_kogan]: high it goes but that's obviously that's
true so has the what i wanted to

[jonathan_kogan]: get to was has that when you
got that that you know you say you're

[jonathan_kogan]: actually injured we'll have this you know
maybe hateful response for a short period of

[jonathan_kogan]: time have you noticed that some people
that maybe gave you a hard time back

[tydi]: oh

[jonathan_kogan]: then have changed their position now and
showed more love and showed more empathy over

[jonathan_kogan]: time have things shifted

[tydi]: it

[jonathan_kogan]: at all

[tydi]: yeah just tonight i watched ara take
down all of their posts and allow comments

[tydi]: yes if we keep just pushing at
it ah we'll win

[jonathan_kogan]: so then

[tydi]: hope

[jonathan_kogan]: what

[tydi]: hope every time remember it's

[jonathan_kogan]: yeah

[tydi]: very hard it's going to be hard
you've signed up for very difficult mission and

[tydi]: i don't want to be in this
mission i want to be making music i

[tydi]: want to be back playing to stadium
i don't want to be doing this at

[tydi]: the same time i can't be complacent
because complacency is just as bad as the

[tydi]: act itself so

[tydi]: yeah

[jonathan_kogan]: that's that's what i feel like i
always say like i want to talk for

[jonathan_kogan]: me you like

[tydi]: yeah

[jonathan_kogan]: you with music i want to talk
about sports i wanted to i don't want

[jonathan_kogan]: to do this but being complacent is
being complicent

[tydi]: oh

[jonathan_kogan]: so it's like you have no option
especially because the division will work if people

[jonathan_kogan]: don't start speaking up and rationalize n
be like hey listen i'm not your enemy

[jonathan_kogan]: you're not my enemy none of us
are really each other's enemies we like you

[jonathan_kogan]: said we may disagree with things but
disagreeing never met at least

[tydi]: oh

[jonathan_kogan]: in my lifetime is hate or division
it's just disagree okay we can hang out

[jonathan_kogan]: we can not talk we can come
to some you know there's always common ground

[jonathan_kogan]: there's

[tydi]: oh

[jonathan_kogan]: always there's always common ground and just

[tydi]: it's

[jonathan_kogan]: finding that will start to alleviate

[tydi]: oh

[jonathan_kogan]: all this chaotic nonsense is going on
least in my

[tydi]: since

[jonathan_kogan]: opinion

[tydi]: since i agree with yes in your
opinion

[jonathan_kogan]: oh

[tydi]: totally since when is it a crime
to disagree

[jonathan_kogan]: it's not that's the point it's made
up it's an artificial barrier it's it's not

[tydi]: yeah

[jonathan_kogan]: authentic

[tydi]: so jonathan know this from australia to
where are you

[jonathan_kogan]: the united states

[tydi]: yeah there

[jonathan_kogan]: ohio

[tydi]: so

[jonathan_kogan]: a

[tydi]: so much love to

[jonathan_kogan]: yeah

[tydi]: i've played there i

[jonathan_kogan]: columbus

[tydi]: don't uh

[jonathan_kogan]: cleveland

[tydi]: yes yes so know this

[tydi]: it's important for you to really take
this in if you create anger and i

[tydi]: understand that you're angry get it i
understand people have been told they're wrong for

[tydi]: two years they've been gas lit that's
that must have a really a really strong

[tydi]: effect on the mind and i can't
imagine how that would make someone feel but

[tydi]: i'm here now to give a voice
to the people that are hurt and i'm

[tydi]: here two absolutely break down the walls
of the matrix so let's do this together

[tydi]: can you make me a live promise
right now are we going to do this

[jonathan_kogan]: i promise we're going to do this
and we're going to win

[tydi]: yeah

[jonathan_kogan]: you

[tydi]: yeah

[jonathan_kogan]: are you putting any of

[tydi]: but

[jonathan_kogan]: this you know this energy and stuff
towards making music right now

[tydi]: my music is in me and my
heart is with me and like yes of

[tydi]: course i am completely engaged in my
music but i'm also engaged in something more

[tydi]: important that is us the people of
planet earth

[jonathan_kogan]: so what would if everything if you
if everything go perfectly what would a year

[jonathan_kogan]: from now look like for earth for
humans for everything

[tydi]: he

[tydi]: m

[tydi]: well what do you look like

[jonathan_kogan]: in one year

[tydi]: the people that made mistakes to be
honest and to say we messed up we

[tydi]: made a mistake forgive us

[jonathan_kogan]: do you think that so is accountability
but is it vital is it absolutely necessary

[jonathan_kogan]: for them to admit fault or can
we move on

[tydi]: no

[jonathan_kogan]: without it

[tydi]: no because because we will win no
matter lot because we have love on our

[tydi]: side we have we have

[jonathan_kogan]: m

[tydi]: love and we have got on our
side

[jonathan_kogan]: and i've never been a religious or
very much spiritual person but these past two

[jonathan_kogan]: years i believe that's true and i
think it's ever so important to have god

[jonathan_kogan]: on your side believe in god it's
crazy i would never said that years ago

[jonathan_kogan]: for right or wrong it just it
seems like that's what's going on here it's

[jonathan_kogan]: almost like a massive spiritual battle like
it's crazy it's crazy it's really hard to

[jonathan_kogan]: fathom

[tydi]: and and we will win

[jonathan_kogan]: we will win so what

[tydi]: oh

[jonathan_kogan]: what words do you

[tydi]: ye

[jonathan_kogan]: have to say for anyone who's listening
to anywhere in the world that would be

[jonathan_kogan]: your if they want to be like
okay this is great

[tydi]: yeah

[jonathan_kogan]: i want to win what can i
do this week next month you know for

[jonathan_kogan]: the next year what can i do
that if everyone did it it would add

[jonathan_kogan]: up and it would be like an

[tydi]: yeah

[jonathan_kogan]: expedential effect

[tydi]: yeah

[jonathan_kogan]: where everyone would get along sort of
thing or

[tydi]: to

[jonathan_kogan]: get back to better world

[tydi]: to go to start small to go
to my instagram slash t y d i

[tydi]: on my facebook t y d i
music to amplify my voice and yours

[tydi]: i can't do this alone i'm tired
man like i'm running out of steam but

[tydi]: when i wake up i go again
but

[jonathan_kogan]: right

[tydi]: it's hard so i need everyone to
give me that confidence and the power to

[tydi]: keep going to keep pushing and knock
those doors down because one word

[jonathan_kogan]: yeah

[tydi]: i said one last time hope when
there is hope

[tydi]: there is freedom

[tydi]: oh

[jonathan_kogan]: absolutely so

[tydi]: m

[jonathan_kogan]: where where can people find you on
i know you just mention some of it

[jonathan_kogan]: but where is the best place to
find you your music where where do you

[jonathan_kogan]: want people to go

[tydi]: instagram dot com slash

[jonathan_kogan]: yeah

[tydi]: t y d i and you know
what if they want to find me they'll

[tydi]: find me

[jonathan_kogan]: and well we'll link it in the
show note so you guys can go click

[jonathan_kogan]: it link all of his stuff you
have any parting words for the people not

[jonathan_kogan]: only in australia canada anything else that
we didn't touch on that you want to

[jonathan_kogan]: add because

[tydi]: my my my

[jonathan_kogan]: the audience will give you the courage
and strength we will come together and support

[jonathan_kogan]: each other and amplify each other's voices

[tydi]: my parting words are i love you
and i care about every human being on

[tydi]: this planet

[jonathan_kogan]: yeah

[tydi]: if you believe that i'm wrong please
tell me

[tydi]: but if something inside of you inside
of your heart says this guy might be

[tydi]: right please back me up because i
need an army i need a force and

[tydi]: i am riding on hope so show
me that you can do it too

[jonathan_kogan]: absolutely that is beautiful

[tydi]: oh

[jonathan_kogan]: and we will win

[tydi]: yeah

[jonathan_kogan]: we will win

[tydi]: kay

[jonathan_kogan]: so um check out the show notes
to look at all of this stuff link

[jonathan_kogan]: the Instagram

[tydi]: oh

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[jonathan_kogan]: for let's Ownership Economy to help us
in this fight and let's amplify voices you

[jonathan_kogan]: guys know what to do and thank
you for being out man I really appreciate

[jonathan_kogan]: it thank you all right by guys

[tydi]: yeah